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How Religion Has Affected Those Exploring Their Psychic and Other Soul Abilities and Soul Exploration Journey


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I can not relate

This blog post is going to be exploring how growing up in religion, in a religious family, with people you care about deep in religious faith and those that choose, feel inspired to discover and uncover with their soul journey.

For myself, I did not grow up with religious influence- other than what an American typically experiences as part of our culture- God on money, Pledge of allegiance, etc.

But, other than that, my exposure to religion wasn’t much and I wasn’t too curious about it and at one point was kind of bigoty about it due to a negative experience.

However, it is important to me for those on their journey to be able to relate, to resonate, to see themselves in others journeys. I can’t provide that for you in this article.

Starting the stuff

Because my lack of relation to a religious upbringing, I called in reinforcements.

I’ve come across a few ladies who do have the religious experience as part of their life journey. Both of these women came to me, either through a psychic medium reading or for intuitive/psychic/medium development, and both of their life stories involved the presence of religion.

I asked them to be part of this episode with the intention of sharing their experience of taking on the soul journey as former children raised in religion, adults who still believe in aspects of religion but who also experienced the soul abilities and wish to uncover, discover and tap into their higher selves and skills.

Introducing the ladies

I have brought in my direct messengers. I just came up with that because, in wanting to keep their identities confidential I made up the names ‘Dee’ and ‘Emm’. No where in my brain did I realize what I had done until getting ready to record the podcast and realized I had ‘Dee’ and ‘Emm’, which sounds like DM- direct message. It’s a modern term that we use in the digital age but, I also think is quite appropriate for their role in this conversation, going to the directly to the sources for the truth in their soul journey. So, they are my direct messengers for you.

I wanted to see what their journey was like with this added complexity to the mix of uncovering your soul abilities- would their be things taught to them that they would have to dismissed? Would their be understandings they learned that would evolve or change completely?

Both live in the Western United States but come from different religions.

I asked many broad questions to get to know their life stories and how these experiences influence their soul journey- acceptance, obstacles, judgement, discovery.

Here’s what they had to say.

Did you grow up religious/ a part of a religious family? What is the religion?

Dee

“My family was very religious.  I grew up in a Christian household and we attended church for several hours every Sunday.  We had church youth groups and assignments during the week.  We were expected to spend a lot of time as a family studying scripture and spending time doing things within the religion and individually throughout the week.  So, our lives were pretty consumed by every aspect of this sect of Christianity.

On top of that, there were very specific standards that the religion had that dictated a lot of our everyday lives- the things we were supposed to be drinking or not drinking.  We don’t drink alcohol, stuff like that.  And, so, it affected a lot of parts of my life.  It was very, very life consuming.”

Dee goes on to explain how belief in religion wasn’t just in the privacy of her own household but very much attached to the community she grew up in:

“And the church was pretty predominant in my neighborhood and in the state, as well, where everybody was a part of it.  And, if you weren’t a part of it, there were only one or two families who weren’t in the neighborhood that I grew up in- they were kind of, I don’t want to say, rejected, but, weren’t really brought in as friends too often.  They were a little but distant from everybody else. And there was a little bit of judgement that would come from the people who were in the religion towards people who were not.

And so it was very much a culture and if you didn’t follow it very strictly or were not part of it, again, there was a little bit of distance put between you and other people because they may not want to be associated with somebody who’s not too integrated in their religion.”

Emm

Emm seems to have had more troubles with her religion when it came to understanding ‘the why’s’ of the faith she grew up in and around.

“I feel like the Catholic religion in my family dated back so in every generation it gets stronger and stronger.  Especially the women, they are just deeper and deeper in faith. My mom being one. “

Emm says her perspective on her Catholic faith is highly influenced by my mother. Emm seems to have had more troubles with her religion when it came to understanding ‘the why’s’ of the faith she grew up in and around.

She did not appreciate it’s strictness:

“if you did anything and you didn’t consult or confess with the priest. It was frowned upon. I mean going to another church because you were invited. The priest will tell you no, that’s a sin.  You can’t do that.  You can’t go to another church.  It’s very strict.”

She was not fond of it’s difficulties to be a human being:

“I felt like there was too many stages to go through to be accepted by God.   You can do your three sacraments but, it always led back to ‘well, you’re a sinner’.  And you haven’t been receiving his body every week, every Sunday. And they literally will tell you if you don’t come to church don’t come up here and receive his body.  If you haven’t confessed to a priest don’t come up here, you’re not worthy. So, that’s the only way to make it to the gates of heaven.

So that’s why I’m like, ‘Uh, sin! And, you’re letting in the devil.  You’re letting in evil spirits because you’re not walking through the righteous Catholic ways.

And that’s my perception of it. Other Catholics can have another perception but, it was very much, brewed that way in my house.”

She also was confused by it’s rituals:

“So every Saint has a meaning.  For example Saint Anthony.  He is somebody that is able to find things. So if you lose your car keys you pray to Saint Anthony. And people believe in this so deeply and I never understood this as a child.  I’d just be like ‘Why?  Why this?’”

She also felt repercussions of her curiosities, especially from her very faith-driven mother:

“My mom would just look at me and shake her head in disapproval so the older I got at one point yes, I was asking a lot of questions, but I learned to stop because of the backlash after.  The disappointment that she felt.  She wasn’t getting through to me.”

Her past growing up with her mother hasn’t been the easiest. Her relationship has gotten better as she has gotten older but, there’s still a wall between them where Emm doesn’t feel like she can comfortably tell her truth to her mother:

'“Now it’s a lot better.  But she’s like ‘Hey, how are you? Okay, did you go to church?  What did the church priest say?

At first, I’m not gonna lie, I would tell her that I did go to church when I wouldn’t. But I haven’t gone to church faithfully, probably since the day I moved out of her house.”

How does your religious family/community feel about 'spiritual' stuff?

Dee

At first Dee explored the understanding of individualism as related to the religion she grew up in and the community she grew up in:

“There was a certain amount of individualism that was discouraged.  I mean, we all grew up believing that we were individual people and that we all had individual experiences and all of that kind of stuff. But, as far as individualism as a concept, it wasn’t really there because everybody was expected to adhere to all of these standards and all of the tenants that the religion had.

And, so, even within the family there is a need to conform but even outside of that, in the community, it bled over, obviously, into schools and sports groups and all that stuff.  There is always, kind of, this need to conform and following these rules as strictly as everybody else was.”

Then, she got into how the religion dealt with spirituality- more specifically intuition, mediumship, psychic ability- those soul abilities that she herself is exploring:

“For me, the religion , obviously, contains an amount of spiritual aspect to it.  In the religion that I grew up in, speaking with spirits or those kinds of gifts, were usually for people who were higher up in the church to be able to directly speak to people, to spirits, to angels, to God, that was usually reserved for the leaders of the church to get inspiration for where the religion should go and how the religion should operate.  

But, in the scriptures that we would read there were spiritual gifts.  And one of the spiritual gifts that was talked about was the discernment of spirits. That would mean that you have the spiritual gift to be able to talk to spirits.”

As much as this sounds like some sort of integration with spirituality, she goes on to explain the complex details of the religion that takes years and years to fully understand:

“It’s all very multifaceted in that you don’t exactly talk to dead people, you don’t talk to people who have passed over because they have gone where they’ve gone and we’ll see them again one day but the don’t necessarily hang out with us on a daily basis, we don’t speak to them directly, that was just one of those things that was either considered not possible or, in some light, it would be considered to be communing with the devil, almost a satanic overtone to it that speaking to the dead was not necessarily a good thing.

Psychic abilities were never talked about.  But, again, there was kind of an overtone of ‘that’s really not something we do and we don’t go into that corner because that’s not right’, type thing.  There are a lot of different sides to it.  Some of the other teachings that I was raised with was believing that life is eternal and that everybody has the gift of eternal life. And that we all get to continue on after we die, be reunited with loved ones but that there are different levels of heaven.  And you have to follow within the tenets of the religion to get to the different levels of heaven.

… When we talk about the spiritual aspect of things it’s all there it’s just explained in a different way.

The whole aspect of ghosts, most people in the religion are like most ghosts are evil we don’t want to have that in our lives.  So they either believe it a little bit, or, again, it’s kind of like on the Satanic side of things, or we just don’t believe that because people, once they die, they don’t want to be here anymore, so they go.

It can be kind of confusing and that’s why sometimes it’s difficult for me to talk about the spiritual aspect of it.

There’s so much to it that it’s hard to explain it in a short time.  This is a lifetime of learning.”

Despite it’s complexity, Dee does see how prayer in her religion is a way to be able to talk directly with ‘a higher entity’ much like in spirituality, being able to have direct conversation with the source or spirit:

“Another aspect of this is prayer.  The Holy Spirit, everybody can speak to the Holy Spirit.  You get inspiration, you get guidance from the Holy Spirit as long as you are abiding by the tenets of this particular religion.  It’s almost like a gift that if you obey, you’re faithful, and you're righteous then you can have the ability to talk to the Holy spirit.

But, prayer does definitely get you into that mindset of I’m purposely trying to connect to something that is higher to me.  So there is a direct relation between that and trying to do that and connect to your higher self and get the inspiration you need for yourself.   The Holy Spirit is kind of like an outside entity who can also help you.

I don’t think I am stepping outside of the bounds of what I should be doing.  If I were receiving inspiration for somebody else or speaking as to what the religion should be doing that would definitely be frowned upon.  That would definitely be wrong.

I just think it’s just a general belief that once people have crossed over that they don’t really talk to us anymore.”


Emm

“Spiritual influences outside of the church are definitely not welcomed. It’s going against God, it’s going against the church.  Literally, not to sugar-coat, it’s going against the church.  That implicates anything outside of the church.

My talking to you I would have to go talk to a priest now. And they’re like, ‘I was talking to Sarah’. And that’s just something they would say, ‘you have to go and tell him what you just did.

I was already used to how my mom was.  She didn’t like to confront emotion.  She didn’t like to confront when we had questions about religion so, I learned very, very early on to not to express too much, for her sake.

It helped me build a wall, honestly, it helped me build a wall with emotion and expressing, not just to her but to everybody. So when I would slightly open up I would catch myself and pull myself back.

So, when I got into my teens that’s when I started having more questions and she, yeah, holy water, here it comes because I knew, a holy bath, it was intense to be splashed by holy water, I’m like, what are you doing? At first I was really embarrassed because she had done it in front of my best friends.

Remember the movie ‘the Craft’? That was definitely my thing.  And my mom was like ‘What are you into?’ She just freaked out.

During one scene the girls were doing seance’s. Of course me and my friends had to experiment and do this at my house at a sleepover.

That was the end of that, let me tell you.  It stopped a lot of things.  But, again, I felt like she was constantly worried about me and where I was headed.  She was worried for my soul.”

When did you notice your soul abilities/soul senses (psychic, intuitive, medium)

Dee

“I’m not very far into this process, so I think I’ve become more aware of these things, or everything has more context, within the last year or so.

But, looking back on it as a child, I realize that I’ve had these gifts my whole life. I’m highly empathic, I soak up a lot of the moods and emotions of people around me. It’s always been that way, being around my family, being around my friends, being around anybody really.

I always had a sense of knowing things. And I guess I just didn’t realize that that wasn’t common. I thought everybody had the ability to know things.  Like, I’d be really, really good about finding things that my siblings had moved in the house. I always knew where to find them even though they had been moved or hadn’t been seen in a long time.

As far as mediumship goes, I’ve always had a fascination and interest with death.  And, I always just thought I was weird.  That it was just one of those things that- People just thought I was strange because, I wanted to be a death investigator when I grew up and I was always interested in how people died.

I would watch shows when I was younger like that ‘Thousand Ways to Die’ show.

I’ m pretty sure that’s not normal for a 10 or 11 year old to do that but, I would still be doing that stuff.

So I think I’ve always had this attraction to death and the process that goes with that.

I’ve always been able to sense energies and spirits around me as far as I can remember.  What some people might call ghosts. But what I realize now is that those are either residual energies or energies around me intentionally.”  


Recently, she’s felt more motivated to explore the ‘strange occurrences’ that she has experienced.

“I guess it probably wasn’t until the last 5 years that I started to wonder if maybe there was something different about me or something that was quote unquote not normal…   During one particular medical emergency when I was pregnant with my first child, my son, that I saw my grandpa in my hospital room holding a baby. And I was thinking that it would make sense that my grandpa would be the one who’s around me, even though I didn’t know him

He died back in the ‘50s. And so, it was pretty amazing to actually physically see him. And that’s one of the only times that I have physically seen somebody like that.  And it was one of those awakening moments for me.  But then it wasn’t until after the birth of my daughter last year that I started to sense that he was around a lot more. It’s all kind of coming into focus now.  It’s been a really interesting experience and I just learn more and more about this every single day.”

Emm

“I think at first my great grandpa had passed and I must have been 7 or 8 years old, maybe even 5 or 6, I can’t remember, but he passed.  He lived with my parents, my mom took care of him.  And I seen him, every night I seen him.  

It was kind of freaky but my grandpa, his relationship that he had with me he was always really playful. He would like to tease my mom and I would get a kick out of it.  So, he continued to tease my mom. Which is funny.  But I would see him.  So, I would kind of get creeped out and I would close my eyes.  I’d open them and he’ll still be there. But kind of teasing me like would when he was still living. 

And I even when I didn’t open my eyes because I knew it was going to happen I already felt when he was there. And I’m like, nope, I’m not even going to open my eyes.  I started to say it out loud, like, ‘I’m not going to open my eyes. You gotta leave me alone. You’re freaking me out… and it stopped but, for years after I still felt like I felt the presence of him to where I told my mom and she’s like ‘You’re trippin’, that doesn’t happen.  They go to heaven, he’s resting,and you gotta let him go.’

But, I wasn’t holding on to him, at least I didn’t feel I was.”

Did you tell your family your mediumship, psychic or intuitive experiences? If so, what was their reaction?

Dee

“That’s been kind of difficult. I have not told a lot of my siblings about the things that I experience because, I do worry sometimes about the judgement that they have about those things because, many of them still practice in the religion that we grew up in.  So I think sometimes their feelings about things range between ‘that’s entirely possible’ to ‘no, that’s not right, that’s not something that we dabble in’.

My husband has always been … a very logical person and when things started happening with my grandpa in particular and stuff started happening around the house, and with the babies. I think he started to understand , hey, this is something that is happening.  And it’s happening because of you’  meaning me. Which is okay, I”ll take the blame on that one.  I mean, that’s not a horrible thing.

My mom has been surprisingly open about it. She thinks it’s pretty cool that I have the ability to communicate with people who have passed, or my spirit guides. But, the ironic thing about that is that I think she can do the exact same thing.  It’s just that she hasn’t really had, maybe, her spiritual awakening with this particular topic.

One of my sisters is pretty much the same way but, again, I don’t think that she has gone through the process either. But these things would probably come very easily to her as well.

So, it’s kind of a mixed bag.  I definitely don’t talk about this stuff to people at work. I don’t share it necessarily with random strangers.  But, sometimes I worry about their reaction and I know that is something I need to work on within myself.


I think it probably would just be one more reason for them to distance themselves from me cause I’m already kind of a weirdo and I’ll totally own that. But I think it would probably just be something that would not be taken well. It probably would not sit well with a lot people if I went ‘Hey, I can communicate with people who have crossed over. Or I can sense energies around me. I think that would be taken as there is something wrong with me. Or, I’m doing something that I should not be doing. Or I am doing something that is outside the realm of righteousness. I don’t want to say that they would think I am communing with the devil because that’s not what’s happening.

But, I think that some of them would believe that this is along the lines of something evil or it could be.  So it is sort of tricky in that way.”

Emm

“It’s kind of a tough one. I’m still very much going through the stages of presenting who I am to everyone else.

My kids, my husband, they know who I am.  I love who I am. And I think, I’ve never spoke that out loud before and that’s kind of been how I’ve gotten to where I am right now.

My dad has always been super accepting, he doesn’t care.  My siblings are just like ‘You’re weird’, and then they just walk away. They sit there.  They’re interested. I love it.  I love being weird. I don’t care, this is me.

…My mom knows what daughter she has, like, she’s gone through the experience she’s gone through so, she knows who I am.  She definitely does.  So, in the back of her mind she knows that I’m a little weirdo and it’s completely fine.  And the reason I say that is because, the more expressive I am with her, certain things make her more feel uncomfortable she kind of shares, ‘oh, I used to feel that way’.  Or ‘that used to happen to me’. Certain situations about feeling anxious in a crowd full of people, she’s like, ‘You’re feeling what everybody’s feeling, aren’t you? I used to feel that. Let’s step outside for a little bit and get some fresh air.’

To me it’s like, ‘whoa, you just related to me’.  So, honestly she knows but, I have expressed myself a little bit more with her so she relates. So I’m like ‘I knew it! I knew I got it from you.  That’s why you had a hard time with it.’

But, I think just slowly letting them in into your world because they are going to be a part of your life, very heavy or very light, that’s depending on their acceptance of you.

So, I’m getting there.  I don’t want to just pounce on them but, I kinda do.”

Do you consider yourself religious? How have you dealt with religion (whether its your personal beliefs or someone else's beliefs) with your spiritual truth/experiences?

Dee

“I think over the last 5 or 6 years I would consider myself to be much more spiritual than I am religious.  I just want to make it clear that I am not anti-religion, I think it’s a great thing for some people. They find a huge sense of community and belonging in religions.

As far as my spirituality, I actually feel that I have more of a connection to God, to the miracles around us then I have ever had before.  Just knowing that all of these things are possible and it’s just opened up this whole realm of possibility of speaking to people that I’ve never had a relationship here on earth. And having the inspiration to keep my life on track in a direct conversation with spirit to keep my life on track and that’s something that is very special to me and it’s really important for me to keep my experiences open because I think there is something in each religion that we can learn from and I don’t want to box myself in to one possibility when there is so much more that I personally need to learn.

M y religious and spiritual experience throughout my 32 years now has been pretty complicated and I’m sure it’s like that for many people who grew up in religious households and for some people that works. But, for me I just needed to feel a little bit more connection to my truth and what spirituality means for me, in particular.”

Emm

“I would always say I am Catholic but, I don’t feel Catholic. I don’t practice the Catholic ways and I haven’t for years. And, it’s just more of a title of ‘you’ for my family, to keep up appearances, type thing. It’s like wearing a brand.

So living like that as a child that had many, many questions and never getting the answers because I was being difficult and I was going against the word of God, not knowing exactly why, it created roadblocks for everything.

But, like Emm said earlier, spiritual influences outside of the church are not welcomed, it’s considered ‘going against the church’, will she confess to a priest that she talked to me about her spiritual experience?

“Do I practice that?  No, not at all.  But, do I say that I’m Catholic.  I label myself as Catholic but do I  practice it? No. I do it for my family.”

Do you think there is an advantage to having a religious background as you explore your spiritual self/ higher self/ soul abilities?

Dee

“I think growing up in such a religious household, it set the groundwork for me to have a connection to a power that I can not see and can not always feel.

I mentioned prayer before and I feel that is completely an easy segway to meditation and connection with spirit. And is something that I still incorporate into my everyday life and I feel that it has power in it and I don’t think that is something that would come easy to me or something that I would necessarily practice if I didn’t have that foundation.

The relationship and the belief in God is kind of the same thing. If I hadn’t grown up with that I don’t know where I would be, feeling about that.  I don’t know if I would still be believing in God.

I can’t say because I have grown up in that faith since I was, before I was born, to be honest with you.

I definitely believe being religious has helped me realize that my gifts come from God.  And, I feel like it is through his light and his grace and his love that I have these abilities. Someday I’ll have the courage to share them with more people.  But, I don’t know if this would be all that easy for me to understand if I hadn’t grown up that way.”

Emm

“(I see an advantage from) learning scripture, learning about Jesus and his ways.  So, me, my questions were I’m not interpreting it the way the priests interprets it, or the way others around us interpret it. I’m interpreting it different.  So, I’m like, you heard this but, I heard this.

I think having that and now looking into that currently, I’m like there’s so much more of it makes sense. For instance, meditating.

I had invited my mom to go take a yoga class with me and she was all like, ‘Ummm, no we don’t do that. You can’t.’ And I’m like ‘What do you mean, it’s like exercise.’ And she’s like, ‘Isn’t that where they go ‘Ommm’.  Oh my goodness, my mother.  I love her.  Bless her heart. It’s that mentality.  She’s very much- she would be so much more liberated if she didn’t allow the Catholic church to run her life the way she wants to run it with God behind her, type thing.

The positive’s yes, definitely would be, learning about Jesus.  Jesus meditated! He went out in solitude, and i mean- there’s so much scripture that you can translate into the message that God actually wants us to hear and know about him.

No rules and free will and decisions- and I guess that’s what I’m running into today. And it feels great to run into somebody backing me up and what I’ve always kinda felt. It makes sense, I guess. I feel accepted.

I hear things and I’m just like ‘Not the God I know. The God I know loves me.  And he can’t tell me I can’t come in.”

Do you feel a disadvantage to having a religious background as you venture further into your spiritual development and uncovering?

Dee

“I feel like it started things out for me as a little bit narrow focused in that I wasn’t really so open to the possibility for religious experiences outside of it’s teachings in this religion.  I think that exploring different religions adds a puzzle piece to the big picture with connecting to the spiritual realm.  And I felt like for me focusing on one religion or one aspect of religion disconnected me from experiences and information that I need to grow and understand how everything works.

There is a big sense of community in religion.  But, for me that was a little bit stifling because if you are not exactly like everybody else then it’s hard to explore some aspects of spirituality.  And so I think that can be a little bit of a disadvantage because there are some days that I feel really disconnected from people that I live around, and the communities that I work in, that my kids go to school, and that kind of thing.

And, so, it has been kind of difficult in that way. But, the disadvantages are pretty minimal at this point but, I am still trying to figure all of it out, to be honest.”

Emm

“I think (a disadvantage would be) the guilt…, what is actually taught and how you are suppose to go ‘A through Z’ and not skipping the letters to get to God. It really installs a guilt in you. Especially with sin. And, honestly, it mind-fucks you.  

It does really make you feel like a sinner and I’m just like, ‘Woah, this is intense; I don’t want to pass this down to my kids.  They know of the Catholic religion but I’ve never been heavy to press it on them. I’m like, however you guys want to believe, however you guys find God is what I used to  always tell them. I’m like, ‘It’s about your relationship personally and not as a group.’ 

Also, cause for me I never found him that way.

But, you know, just little things like that, I’m just like, ‘Oh my gosh, I’m sorry.  I’m sorry for thinking that way about X person’ so, I felt like I was constantly living in that world of saying sorry and it was distracting me for being grateful for everything that is here.”

How people from religion will relate to ‘I’m a Weirdo’ in your spiritual journey

An interesting word that came up in both of my conversations was the word ‘weirdo’. Here’s how they used it when we talked about revealing your soul journey’s and spiritual experiences to family or community:

Dee: “I think it probably would just be one more reason for them to distance themselves from me cause I’m already kind of a weirdo and I’ll totally own that. But I think it would probably just be something that would not be taken well.”

Emm: “In the back of her mind she knows that I’m a little weirdo and it’s completely fine. And the reason I say that is because the more expressive I am with her, certain things make her more feel uncomfortable she kind of shares, ‘oh, I used to feel that way’. Or ‘that used to happen to me’.”

They both used the word weirdo to describe what others would think about them, a name that alienates, looks down upon, and fills us with a fear of judgement. But, these two ladies not only use the word but, they’ve also gotten to a place of ownership with it, ‘I’ll totally own that’ and ‘it’s completely fine’. And just like Emm added, her openness about her experiences allows others’ experiences to be normalized.

What a gift you can bring to other people by sharing your vulnerable truth, owning ‘weirdo’ and doing everybody else a favor.

And here’s the gift you get back- acceptance. The game of what boundaries do I or don’t I cross with other people will come to an end soon because you are growing acceptance with yourself. The truth that you live true to and don’t give a f*ck what other people think is growing more comfortable with your higher self.

It is also a gift when using your abilities because the message- the truth becomes much easier once you own the word ‘weirdo’ and move on to the important things like, who you are, what skills do you actually possess and what can you do with these skills to help others.

To those ladies and anybody who feels that same sense of ‘I’m a weirdo- this is me’, you have entered the threshold of your spiritual journey, you are in it and there’s no going back. The hard parts over, heavy obstacles have been pushed out of the way and the rest will fall into place- pay attention and get ready to have your mind blown!

Yeah, girl!

Last words

Ending this post with a great quote from Dee that I think honors the life experience of having religion as part of your life. These are nurturing words and have wise perspective to those who have similar life experiences/truths. I hope these words bring comfort. I hope that they resonate with you. And, I hope her words bring a little relief for those following the path to the threshold of your higher self, a higher consciousness and moving forward on your soul journey.

Dee: “I think that people who grew up in religious households who kind of veered away from its original teachings or whatever it might be, I think there’s a part of them that is always going to pull back to that religion, that’s always going to be there and so I think a lot of people, they don’t want to bash the religions that they grew up in. But, they have found for themselves that they don’t entirely fit in that mold.”

You’re not alone.

Thank you, Dee and Emm, for allowing us the opportunity to getting to know your journeys to your higher selves. ✌❤☺


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